Homeschooling the Non-Ambitious
I can spend hours perusing homeschooling blogs, a pleasant distraction during my frequent bouts of insomnia. I am inspired by many motivated self-starters that are involved in wonderful projects and interesting study. I am especially in tune to stories of high schoolers who design their own curricula around their interests, and seek out free reading and educational activities for themselves. I read of those who homeschool only to indulge their passion of sport or music.
I read, and read, and wonder….where did I go wrong? That is not my high schooler. While he is a wonderful friendly and good-hearted boy, he has NONE of what these kids have. He would sleep until noon if I let him, rush through his school work in 3.5 hours with the least effort passible and then waste the rest of the day. He doesn’t pick up books, though claims to love reading. Doesn’t practice his guitar more than twice a week, and rarely without being told. He has no hobbies. Doesn’t have a passion for any of the dozen of so sports he has tried, and doesn’t exercise without force. The only part of his body that is in shape are his hands, from spending so much time on Playstation or clicking a mouse.
I have been distressed by this for almost two years, but my husband and I have been at major odds on this issue. I worry about his lack of interesting in anything that doesn’t have a controller. Big Daddy feels that he is a good kid and will grow out of it, and I worry too much. I keep waiting for a change, but just see more and more of the same.
How do you homeschool the Non-Ambitious? I am facing the point where this is a serious question. Last weekend, we had another meeting. Scout is ignoring deadlines. Deadlines that are now typed up and hung in various points of the house. He had been working on a research paper since January, and did well with his deadlines through his rough draft. He got sick, and I gave him a two week extension to type up his final. That came and went.
At our meeting, he used said illness as the excuse. Big Daddy reminded him that he still found time to go to two birthday parties (one a sleep over), Scouts, camping, and hang out with his girlfriend, so he was certainly well enough to type a paper. We addressed other items that he has not met on schedule for science. Again, he “just forgot” or “didn’t understand my directions.” He says he will do better. Each and every time.
So, he types for an hour, and brings me a paper. In 16 point type set. Does he really think that I am blind, or just stupid? Seriously! We have another meeting, and he swears I never specified 12 pt type (as I have always had). Big Daddy is about to give him the benefit of the doubt when I pulled out Girlie’s term paper, handed in on time and in 12pt type.
Forced with the plain logic that if one got it right, it might not be the teacher…Scout admits he changed it because just couldn’t think of anything else to write. I asked if he considered looking for more sources, and he told me that I only said five sources were necessary. Big Daddy points out that five was the minimum, and that common sense would have you look further when those you have are exhausted. His response, “I didn’t want to do anymore.” Laziness again beats out logic. He spends the rest of the day researching and finds a wealth of information, adding it to his paper to meet the requirments.
The dilemma as a teacher and a parent is how do you get a handle on such bad habits? There are deadlines in real life, and our children need to learn how to meet them. There are also reprecussions for not meeting them in real life. We are doing him no favors in enabling his bad habits. College is soon approaching, and he needs to understand that he needs to earn both entrance and his degree. Since we will be paying ourselves, it is not a wise financial risk if Scout does not show some maturity and commitment.
For the longest time, my husband and I disagreed with how to address this problem, but we are finally in the same book (if not the same page). We, as parents, have come to an agreement that he will have to be graded according to performance, with no more extensions or second-chances. If he ends up getting C’s or worse, they will be on his transcript.
As a teacher, I imagine it must be disappointing to give low grades to students with great promise and potential. As a homeschooling mother, it is painful. I realize that each mark could potentially translate into non-acceptance into his school’s of choice. Yet, I also know that I have given him every chance, every reminder, and cannot force him to perform to his ability. This is compounded by the problems in our relationship as a constant lack of ownership of his own problems would make me the cause of all his future failures. (it’s easier to blame anyone other than yourself!)
I realize so much is his lack of maturity. At the same time, I cannot coddle him forever, for he needs to learn self-discipline. I am frankly tired of nagging, and as his younger sister becomes more of a self-starer, I realize just how much little remembering he does on his own. He needs to get the greater understanding that goals need action in order to become reality.
I am also going to set up meetings with him with one of the assistant scout masters and writing teacher at learning center. He respects both greatly, and I do as well. I am hoping that through these meetings he can see that academic performance now is important to future success. I realize that he has major difficulty accepting that I may know what I am talking about in these matters would be aided if others he respected echoed the same things.
I know that a lot of other personality issues are at play here, and from a purely selfish level, I am tired of the struggle. I see how this constant battling with him about academics is not only negative for our relationship, but it is really negative for our family. While the men seem to feel there is should be a way to delineate between my role as parent and teacher, I cannot find a such a simple line. I find it hard to not be angry that he is so blatantly disrespecting me as a teacher. I feel badly that I am unable to follow a more unschooling lifestyle with Girlie. Most of all, I am constantly striving to change those parts of my life that cause me the most stress.
I have made a difficult decision that unless Scout begins following directions and meeting deadlines for me as he does for his teacher’s at learning center, this will be my last year homeschooling him. We have a great deal of choice in cyber charter schools in our state, and while he will not get a personalized education, he will have others to answer to besides me. Our relationship can go back to being parent and child. While he does not like this idea because “I’m going to have to do a lot more work”, he is being given one last chance to choose to be in control of his education.
I am the mother of two wonderful children, ages 12 & 15, that I have been homeschooling using a blend of Charlotte Mason and unit studies for ten years. My hubby is a terrific dad, contractor and big kid, and we also have two furry, four-legged children others would call “dogs.” I am a total crafty mama, trying my hand at almost anything, and enjoying most.


He sounds like a normal teenager to me
I “extended” many a paper by creative use of font and margin. The difference was I was doing it on a Apple II that the teachers had no idea how to even turn on, thus I totally got away with it!
Honestly, those perfect teens that some HSers write about make me nervous. Rebellion and testing limits is part of the transition from child to adult.
“I see how this constant battling with him about academics is not only negative for our relationship, but it is really negative for our family.”
I pulled this out so you could see it in what you wrote. You homeschool because of how great it is for your family and your relationships with your kid. On a list I’m on, someone said “If someone is crying, it isn’t working.” And it sounds like you are crying. So stop doing what you are doing.
I agree with COD that he sounds like a normal teenager. And from what I’ve read here before he does have a passion — for history. Don’t lose sight of that. But he is not like you. And no amount of nagging is going to turn him into someone like you. Luckily there are many folks who you would think are disorganized, lacking in discipline, and all the rest who are very successful.
First, are you required to give him a transcript? Or is there are route to university admission that is more suited to homeschoolers that take a less structured approach? For example, the University of Ottawa requires homeschoolers to write a letter stating why they want to study the particular course they are applying to and to demonstrate that they are prepared for that course and capable of working at that level. This could be done with a portfolio.
You should also let go of the idea that he has to go straight into college. Let him take a break, maybe working for a while, and go when he is ready and gained a bit of maturity. Maybe put aside a fixed amount of money for his further education. And then be prepared to see him waste it. But once it is gone, it is gone and it is up to him to fund any further education he needs on his own. That means letting him decide when he will go to college and what he will study. Not easy.
And would it hurt to try a more unschooling lifestyle with him, too? Really unschooling might mean that you have to see what he is learning in his activities and you have to accept his goals and timetables. You stop being a teacher and become a facilitator. You could set him a budget for learning centre classes, scouts, etc. You could provide guidance on goal setting and financial stuff (including considering how to earn money). You could talk to him about the state reporting requirements and get him more involved in putting together his own portfolio and recording his own learning. The most important thing about unschooling is that scouts, walks in the woods, video games, etc. are no longer considered “extra”.
And the toughest part of all of that is what goes on for us as parents. Check out the last unschooling voices carnival which was all about deschooling and had many posts focusing on parents (including one whose daughter has dropped out of college and gone to India). I suspect it would be very hard for you, because you are a planner and like all that structure. But the reason you homeschool is to have a better relationship with your family. And what you are doing is getting in the way of that.
Okay, I’ve gone on a bit long. And I’ve been a bit preachy. Love and hugs are coming your way. This is tough. But he is a good kid. Perfectly normal.
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This is a great post. I linked it on my blog, if that’s ok.
My mom faced a similar situation with my brother when he was a teen. He stopped listening to her or trying to do any schoolwork – and my parents did not give him a highschool diploma/completion in the end. He chose to go out and take the GED, he worked a few years at the post office, and now he is starting college at 25. He’s being very successful there so far, working toward an engineering degree. Sometimes, people aren’t ready to work hard right away. They may have to wait until they have more motivation. But I was proud of my parents for not giving him the diploma, and it made my own diploma seem more valid to know that there was a minimum standard for it.
I don’t have any answers for you, but just this
electronic ((hug)) sent your way to show you have
been heard. I hope you will have peace in your family
and in your heart again soon,
Kate
First-There must be a lot of families dealing with this issue. I hope you can use your wisdom and talent to write a compelling essay about how to hs the unambitious.
I’m wondering if you read Lapaz Farm. If I were comparing my teenager to Theresa’s son I would be miserable. He is exceptional.
Is it posssible to just rid your house of games. I realize that it is a radical idea but it seems to be the root of some of the problems. I suppose your husband might not agree. I find cold turkey the best way to deal with some of my problems.
And last, I know this problem is bigger and more vexing than any post can convey. I will keep you in my thoughts and hope for a solution. The cyber option doesn’t seem that bad. At least he wouldn’t be influenced by teenagers.
Just stopped in to say hi!
I feel for you. I hope your son is able to meet your challenges. Goodk Luck.
I always enjoy reading your blog.
More and more I look forward to your blog entries as an opportunity to store away some wisdom and guidance to nourish me on my journey through motherhood.
We had a big meeting on Monday morning with my 9yo stepson, because he hasn’t been putting forth any effort. He coasts on my effort as a teacher. I was becoming resentful and feeling that I wanted to stop homeschooling him to focus on the younger kids, who, despite their flaws, at least engage the world, including those bits of the world I present, with an active curiosity.
Today and yesterday he worked like crazy on the make up assignments I gave him. His father is delighted and reassured. But I know from past experiences with meetings and make up assignments that this sudden enthusiasm in the child probably will not last. And I’m half afraid to bring it up to dh, who already spends a lot of energy trying to get the boys bio mom to not criticize him. (From recent posts I suspect you know what that is like too.)
I decided on one more intermediate step than you mention here. First, there’s the make up option. If that still doesn’t work, he gets no more screen time, including handhelds, except supervised schoolwork on the computer. If that still doesn’t work, then I’ll stop homeschooling him.
It may be true that all teenagers are lazy or addicted to video games. But if that’s the case then all parents should be busting their teens butt to get them to work, and limiting the screen time, because no kid passes into responsible, engaged adulthood via the use of a mouse or controller.
Not that it means anything from a mom so much less experienced that you, but I say kudos to you for putting your foot down.
I don’t think I’ve commented on your blog before, but I’ve been popping in for quite a while. I wanted to comment because I have a senior in high school right now. Granted, he goes to the public school (I homeschool my youngest), but the issue is the same for both of our boys…non-ambition…. or as I like to say, apathy.
For years I’ve been telling my son to keep up with his assignments. He does well on tests and quizzes, but papers and daily work bring his grades WAY down, because he either doesn’t do them, or he does them half way. Between his freshman, sophmore, and junior year he had a 3.2 GPA (his computer classes brought this way up), which I knew would not be high enough to get in to the colleges that he wanted to go to. And it was a struggle, trying not to interfere when he was making mistakes. Sometimes I had to point out what he was doing, because I was afraid that when the day came, he would say that it wasn’t HIS fault that he didn’t get in to these colleges. I wanted him to know that it was his choices that took away his options.
Now it is his senior year. Now it is important to him. So this year he has pulled out all the stops that I knew him to be capable of. He has gotten straight A’s on all his report cards. I’ve gotten many messages from his teachers telling me how much they love him. And he is proud of what he has done…. But… Is it enough?
He has applied to all the colleges he wanted to attend, and he has brought his GPA up, thanks to the good grades, and he had fantastic SAT and ACT scores…. But will it be enough?
The reason I wanted to comment was, I think your son is similar to mine. He won’t perform until it is important to him. Right now, he just feels apathetic. BUT, when he is ready, I think you will be surprised (or, maybe not) at what he is capable of.
I don’t agree with some of the others who say you should take away the video games. There are worse things he could be doing. And maybe these games will lead him into an area of passion. My son has developed a passion for computers as a direct result of loving computer games.
Good luck, and try not to worry too much. I think you just have to gently remind him that he is making choices each time he slacks on a project or assignment. And just let it go. He IS making the choice. Let him live with it.
I’m sending you {{{hugs}}} because I know how hard that is!
Sorry I couldn’t comment yesterday. I, too, struggle with an apathetic learner some of the time. I want so much for my children and I have felt out of place (even though I had earned the right to be there) because of my poor educational background. One of my goals in schooling my children is to give them the skills and knowledge to feel comfortable in almost any environment. My children do not always see the importance of my goals.
I, too, am torn. I am a natural nurturer. I don’t mind spoon feeding my young students, yet I see the importance of having them take responsibility for their own work, so I am forever looking for that perfect compromise.
I am fortunate that your children are years older than mine, so I can learn from your interactions with them. Thinking of you.
I must say as a teacher myself that each case is different and each kid is different. It sounds like you’re aware of this already.
One thing to keep in mind: try to find meaning in the learning and try to find as many ways for them to take in the information in new and exciting ways. Most often, these are ways that they have adapted for themselves.
All the best,
Jim Sarris
Author, Memory Skills Made Easy
http://www.memoryskillsmadeeasy.com
Hi!
I’ve wandered in here quite a few times, but this is one post I had to answer…
My oldest son was just as you described…sleep, computer, music, friends…but no schoolwork. Getting him to write a report took major maneuvering and a lot of constant supervision….so we rarely undertook the effort. We were constantly warned that he was dooming himself to a life of shiftless wandering.
He’s now 17, and getting straight A’s at our local community college.
What made the difference?
He got a glimpse of what he wanted to do, and he set out to do it. His passion is for computers, and he saw a way to make money at what he loves doing anyway.
Come to think of it, his older sister wasn’t much different. She was rather apathetic until she decided to go to college early, at which time she studied furiously to get a good ACT and headed off (7 hours away!)to college at 16.
I think that many kids see high school as just marking time until they get to college. Is your son interested in moving on? Maybe he’d do well with a few courses at a local community college. It would broaden his horizons and stretch his mind a bit. Most are not difficult to get into: many don’t even require a transcript or test scores. Some are feeder schools to major universities, and all courses will transfer.